Chemical Weapons Expert Anton Utkin Explains How Russia LIQUIDATED It’s Weapons Stores
- Anton Yuryevich, we have a chemical weapons expert, a man who participated in the program on liquidating these weapons. Please explain this to us, the last 2 days were very confusing. Does this Newcomer, or whatever they call it, exist? Is it a substance or a synthesis of something?
- It's a gas.
- What we've been talking about lately. If it's a gas, has it vanished? Or can it be found?
- It's a TV show hero.
Anton Utkin, gas weapon expert:
- Today, when there's a lack of facts of this substance's existence, and that it was manufactured in Russia, that it was at Russia's disposal, that there were factories that produced it, anything can be said in this situation. We can see that the information flow grows stronger. You talked about freedom of the press. BBC have asked me for an interview, and they canceled 15 minutes before it. Sky News have interviewed me but they never published it.
- Maybe they didn't like it, or they changed their minds. Right?
- The case of Mirzoyanov or other people who confirm the position of the UK's government, gets happily published.
- They probably called from the Queen's administration, so they don't air you. Probably.
- I'm not done talking yet.
- Famous Polish jokes, ignore them.
- Let's talk business. There has been new information in the past couple of days. Besides the interviews from Vil Mirzoyanov about the substances he's published We also know that Vladimir Ugolev and Leonid Rink have also shared information. I don't know why they say certain things but look at this. Mirzoyanov publishes 8 formulas. Ugolev says these formulas have nothing to do with the compounds he's synthesized. Both Ugolev and Rink refuse to call these substances the Newcomers. Rink says that the Newcomer isn't even a poisonous substance, but some systems that have nothing to do with poisonous substances. Mirzoyanov publishes the A-234 formula. We know that Hennig, who's published a Compendium on poisonous substances in 2007, also has the A-234 formula, and it's called the Newcomer, but it's completely different from Mirzoyanov's formula. Mirzoyanov says it was a large-tonnage manufacturing, and it was in the troops' armament. But, he personally doesn't know how this poisonous substance can be used as a weapon.
- Then they can't blame us.
- Both Rink and Ugolev deny it was ever used in the Army. There are several important questions that need to be answered in this whole mess. First, are these formulas that they call the Newcomer really a 4th generation weapon? Is it a highly effective poisonous substance? Second, was it ever used by the Soviet or Russian armies? Third, Boris Johnson said that for the past 10 years Russia has been working on this poisonous substance. And now, the last and the most important. Does the lab have any M.O. which will help us determine where this was synthesized?
I'll try to be brief. Now, as far as the effectiveness of this poisonous substance goes, there was plenty of talk about it, not one country, despite the fact that the formula is known, has confirmed the effectiveness of these poisonous substances, even though anyone could've synthesized them. I'll forego a series of arguments about this issue. In 2011, the OCPW research board that took place on April 4-6 has studied all these structures and has come to two conclusions. First, there's no proof that these substances, these structures are poisonous. Second, all these substances are under the CWC regulations. I remind you, Mirzoyanov has stated that the Newcomer was developed to avoid the CWC. All these formulas are under the CWC regulations.